NATHAN FLETCHER

Nathan was always a big wave rider. At 5 he used to paddle out to the reef, about 350 yards offshore in front of my parents’ house, to catch the biggest waves, completely fearless. He wore a hot-pink wetsuit so we could spot him in the lineup in case of emergency, but with his keen sense of adventure there was also a cautiousness that gave him an interesting sense of balance. Whether being towed into waves behind Herb’s jet ski or riding Waimea Bay at age 11, he pursued his goals thoughtfully, respectful of the challenge and the degree of danger.

Christian was five years older and of course cast a shadow; at 18 Nathan all but gave up surfing, put on a helmet to enjoy the anonymity and pushed headlong into motocross, taking his surf/skate maneuvers in a whole new direction. With a couple of friends he helped to pioneer the aerial acrobatics that are enjoyed in the sport today. A few injuries later, that siren song that all men of the sea have spoken and written about at length was beckoning, and Nathan heard the call.

Always a believer in the magic of nature, when he scored two 10s in a heat during an event at Teahupo’o, he knew his return was the right road to follow. Even though absent for a while and not on the tour, he was still an asset, and sponsorship was available that would allow him to follow the surf. He had the hard-earned maturity and experience to take advantage of the opportunity and bring something more to the bargaining table. With memories of how important films like Wave Warriors were, he started working with his sponsors on film projects, which helped chronicle his travels with his teammates and became in-store advertising vehicles. By this time all major companies had their own cameramen and film crews to capture the surfing/ adventure lifestyle.

All the traveling soon took its toll, though, and the industry itself was going through major changes as the economic downturn had companies folding, firing and trying to stop the bleeding before it could right itself. Nathan found himself without a clothing sponsor, which is usually the main source of income for surfers, and skaters for that matter. Vans had been his shoe sponsor for years, and they felt a head-to-toe program with Nathan was a perfect fit. (As a side note, Vans had been buying fabric from Hoffman’s since the two Van Doren brothers started the company in 1966.) Nathan once again put together his travel itinerary to follow the waves.

Nathan and Sion Milosky, a friend and truly inspired big wave rider, traveled to Mavericks in November 2010 for a huge swell; when they got out of the water and were drying off in the parking lot, they were told of Andy Irons’ death and immediately headed to Kauai to be there for Bruce. The trip was surreal, and Nathan recounts the story of a white owl not long after, which in hindsight he felt sure was an omen. Four short months after Andy, Sion would drown at Mavericks, after what some said was a two-wave hold-down. Nathan searched frantically for his friend, until he finally recovered the lifeless body and brought him to shore.

These events changed Nathan. For months he was depressed and inconsolable, but then little bits of the magic of life started to seep back in. He felt the gift of friendship that these two men had given him and he rededicated himself to living a life that would honor their memories. In August 2011, he caught a wave at Teahupo’o that would be seen around the world as one of the most awesome rides in surf history.

With the birth of his son, Lazer Zappa, in November 2013, the cycle of life begins again, and Lazer shows all the signs of being another thrill seeker…

 

 

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FRANCESCO CARROZZINI

You may have thumbed through his photographs in Italian Vogue, L’Uomo Vogue, New York magazine and Rolling Stone; you may have streamed his music videos for the likes of Beyoncé, A$AP Rocky and Lana Del Rey. His name is Francesco Carrozzini, and like a latter-day Richard Avedon, the Italian lensman deftly captures the essence of celebrity with an ease that can only have come from growing up surrounded by those things.

Born the only son of Vogue Italia editor-in-chief Franca Sozzani, among the most influential media personalities in Italy, Carrozzini was immediately destined to live a life less ordinary. His mother is, after all, a European counterpart to Anna Wintour, with the exquisite wardrobe and A-list contacts to match. “My mother is my best friend, my confidante, my mentor,” he says on the phone from Miami, where he is attending Art Basel. “Curiosity is one of the most important things she taught me—to be curious and never be satisfied, to always try to learn more, experience more and travel more. She’s a legend in her own field, and she’s legendary to me as a son.”

Stories of him being picked up from school by Naomi Campbell are already documented—while one can’t fault a man for being born into a fairy tale, one can fault him for never writing his own chapter in it. Carrozzini’s fairy tale, we are pleased to report, is shaping up beautifully, as he develops his own compelling creative narrative.
 

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His story starts not in Italy, as you might imagine, but in New York, where he arrived, aged 20, gripping his Leica camera, his eyes scaling the impossible skyscrapers. Willing to start from the bottom and work his way up, he saw America as a place where “everyone comes to dream, in a way. Things happen here that can’t happen in other places.”

It was 2003; America was still reeling from 9/11 and a few years shy of the recession that would claim the careers of so many in the creative fields. But for Carrozzini, the era would become one of the most productive of his life. “I started doing my first big jobs with American fashion and beauty companies. And once the recession hit, there were even more opportunities for young people like me who had nothing to lose, unlike the big players.” In New York he flourished and built a reputation as a photographer to watch, one able to combine authenticity and glamour in the same frame—not an easy feat.

Shooting more and more celebrities, he started to spend more time in Los Angeles, setting up camp at Chateau Marmont. Living in a hotel helps him avoid the isolation that can come with the calm indifference of L.A. At the same time, living a nomadic life has forced Carrozzini to find ways to stay grounded, usually through the simplest things: cooking a meal for friends, or going back to Europe and enjoying the fact that the stores are closed on Sunday. “I think being European means we are in general more grounded. We live simpler lives. I always try to keep a hold of that.”
 


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A major shift came at age 28, when his father passed away. A sobering rite of passage for all men, it was especially so for Carrozzini, who had never been close to his father. “The moment he was gone, I had a strange and sudden realization. I’m up next, I’m the only one left. That sense of mortality made me feel like I better hurry up and become an adult, take responsibility and grow. If there was a true turning point in my life, apart from coming to America, it was my father’s death.”

This new maturity translated in his work as a renewed sensitivity and openness of vision. “While before I would do things more instinctively, I started to think about things more, researched them and moved toward storytelling and film.” For the last three years he has been shooting a documentary about his mother, their relationship, her work and her legacy. He learned a lot about his mother in the process, even some things he didn’t want to know. “Making the film was like going to therapy, an incredible process of discovery and journey. It made me realize who she is, who we are together and who I am.”

With his mark already made in photography and music videos, the next logical step is feature film. He’s been passionate about cinema since he was a child, weaned on Fellini, Antonioni and Bertolucci. Blow-Up and 8½ are “seminal movies” for him. “I reference them every time I do anything creative, in some way.” 1937, a short film he directed in 2008, competed at the Venice Film Festival, and in 2009 he was nominated for a Young Director Award at the Cannes Lions advertising festival, for a viral video he made for Ray-Ban. In terms of a feature film, the question for Carrozzini is not if but when. He’s not sure of the answer (yet).

“I met and spent some time with Polanski,” he says. “He told me, when you make a film, make sure you have a real reason to do it. And I kind of never forgot that. I also shot this cover with Angelina Jolie, and she reiterated the sentiment. She said, ‘Compared to acting, it’s such an undertaking to direct a film … it’s two years of your life. Just make sure that it really means something to you.’ I’ll make sure.”
 

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CHRIS BLACKWELL

I met Island Records founder Chris Blackwell in the fall of 1972. I was in London to try to convince a young, London-based Jamaican film star, Esther Anderson (she had starred in the just-released Hollywood studio movie A Warm December opposite Sidney Poitier), to do my picture—which was to be my first feature—for free! I had assembled a cast of young, happening French actors including Zouzou (Chloe in the Afternoon), Jean-Pierre Kalfon (Weekend), Pierre Clémenti (Belle de Jour)—who had just gotten out of prison in Italy for possession of hashish—and an unknown Maria Schneider, who had starred opposite Marlon Brando in the soon-to-be-released Last Tango in Paris, to make a movie of our planned trek to the Andes in search of a hallucinogenic root used by the Incas.

When I arrived in London from Paris I phoned Esther. I was focused and on a mission to round out my cast with a “Hollywood” star. She said, “Be at my flat at 7 tonight. We’re going to the movies.” She was bossy in a Joan Crawford kind of way, and she wasn’t asking. It was an order and I was to humbly obey.

She lived in a small but very posh flat in Cheney Row in the very upscale Chelsea. The place was sumptuously embellished with expensive-feeling North African carpets and pillows flaunting a disregard for nationalistic boundaries. Esther was even more exquisitely gorgeous in person than on the screen—piercing dark eyes, long, straight black hair and a warm, ebullient, coffee-toned aura that belied her rising establishment stardom. Elegantly and eclectically adorned in an earthy way that rose above categorizing as “privileged class,” she intoned through her dress and manner a release from the bonds of colonialism in a Far Eastern way that accented her Indian ancestry (her great- grandparents having arrived in Jamaica as indentured servants after England “abolished” slavery in 1839).

She said, “My friends made this movie and we are going to the premiere.”

What threw me was that it wasn’t a limo that picked us up. Rather, Chris Blackwell himself was driving, and the movie’s director, Perry Henzell, was next to him and it wasn’t a Rolls or Jaguar. It was a 1969 Firebird convertible, which, of course, for England had the steering on the wrong side. It was outside the realm of pretension and a minor shock compared to what was in store for me that evening.

Until then I knew Chris by reputation only. He had a larger-than- life aura. He was in a pantheon of music moguls that included Ahmet Ertegun, founder of Atlantic Records (the premier R&B record label); Clive Davis, who ran Columbia Records; Bill Graham, who owned the Fillmore East and West and managed the Grateful Dead and Santana; and Arthur Grossman, who managed Bob Dylan and Janis Joplin. For me Chris had an even greater mystique than any of them.

What the Island Records label represented was a dedication to allowing art to flourish in the domain of popular culture.

Indeed, Island was having huge commercial success with Traffic, an eclectic band that combined elements of jazz and West African music with poetic lyrics and psychedelic rock, and singer- songwriter Cat Stevens, who was selling millions of albums, as well as rock groups such as Jethro Tull, Free, Uriah Heep and Roxy Music. But for me, what separated Island Records from all other labels in the pop music realm was that it was also releasing amazing music that had little or no chance for wide commercial success, yet at the same time it treated the artists producing this music with the same respect as its biggest pop stars. Acts like the experimental electronic group White Noise, idiosyncratic guitarist John Martyn, enigmatic singer-songwriter Sandy Denny, Brian Eno and the list goes on and on.

We were headed to Brixton—London’s West Indian ghetto. This was new to me. I was naive to the extent that I didn’t even know a place like that existed in London.

For all intents and purposes this was a premiere, but I learned several decades later, when an ailing Perry Henzell gave a talk before a screening in Jamaica—in Ocho Rios—that this was actually the third night the movie had played.

The first night no one came. Perry explained that several months earlier another West Indian movie had been released (a first of its kind) and was really bad and people just thought The Harder They Come would be like that. Perry recounted that the next morning he went to the Island office and mimeographed (there were no Xerox machines yet) flyers—and personally went all over Brixton handing them out and imploring people to come. That night the theater was about one quarter full.

When we arrived at the theater that third night—Chris, Perry, Esther and myself—there was a line around the block. Sold out on word of mouth from the night before …

The theater was electric with anticipation. I was the only person of non-Jamaican origin in the audience.

LEE JAFFE: When you brought me to see The Harder They Come in 1972, I knew nothing about Jamaican music. Like so many North Americans for whom it became an instant classic, I too was profoundly influenced by both its desperation and its humor. It opened a whole world of possibilities—in particular, a sense that with music, words could assume a power that might be greater than bombs and bullets. When The Harder They Come was being made, did you have a sense that it could make the type of impact that it has?

CHRIS BLACKWELL: Well, you see, it’s just like making a record. One gets involved because you feel it could be something great. With The Harder They Come I felt particularly close to the subject, of course, by being Jamaican and for my love of Jamaica. So when the opportunity came to be involved with the movie (the director, Perry Henzell, was my friend), naturally I wanted to help. Island Records had Jimmy Cliff on the label, and we felt it could be a great vehicle to promote his career. Jamaica is such a remarkable place. Ethnically it’s so diverse, with many people having some Amerindian DNA and of course European, African and Asian all mixed historically and genetically. I think those diverse influences are what gives reggae its universal appeal. At the time I had confidence that a movie—by bringing visuality to the music—could help expand the reach of Jamaican music. It was a time when there were great artists making compelling records in Jamaica—Toots and the Maytals, who appear in the movie, are a great example—and the soundtrack, from a record company point of view, became a kind of sampler, a way of introducing the music to an audience beyond Jamaica.

LJ: I think for many of us who were new to the music the movie represented a microcosm of a global struggle for independence—a struggle to loosen the chains of colonialism, and of course it was a first introduction to Rasta. Did you feel a closeness to Rasta culture?

CB: Yes, absolutely. An incident happened when I was a teenager that profoundly affected me. I had a tiny sailboat, and I had been taking it out by myself. One time I got caught in a storm. I thought I wasn’t going to make it. The mast had been struck by lightning and the boat had split, and I was holding on to a charred piece of the broken hull and eventually was thrown up against some rocks along a barren stretch of isolated coast. I had been knocked unconscious, and when I woke up I had no idea how long I had been there and no idea where I was. The storm had passed and the sun was blaring and I was scarred and parched and felt like I would be overcome by thirst and dehydration. Then—and it seemed a miracle to me—out of nowhere, there was a Rastaman standing above me, with long thick dreadlocks. He led me to some shade and climbed a tree. He chopped down some coconuts and split them, and I felt like I was being brought back to life. … From that time I have always felt close to Rasta culture. Their concept of leading a life based on being close to nature has influenced me to start an organic farm in Jamaica—it’s called Pantrepant. We have worked with EARTH University in Costa Rica to get it going. We intend to supply the hotels that have been importing all their food, which Jamaica could be capable of supplying instead.

LJ: How did you come to sign the Wailers to Island Records?

CB: What happened at that time—near the release of The Harder They Come—surprisingly, Jimmy Cliff decided to leave Island Records and sign with A&M. It was a bit of a shock because we had been involved in producing the movie and marketing it and of course it was, among other things, a star vehicle for him. Although we had been involved with releasing Jamaican music since the beginning of Island, mostly it was through licensing music from Jamaican labels. Jimmy Cliff was the only Jamaican artist at the time signed directly to Island. I felt with our limited staff—at that time we were only a U.K. company and licensed our music to Capitol Records in other territories—that we didn’t have the necessary resources to give proper attention to a second Jamaican act. So fortuitously, a week after hearing that Jimmy was leaving the label, the Wailers just happened to be in London and called to schedule to meet with me. Truth is, if Jimmy hadn’t just left I wouldn’t have taken the meeting.

LJ: Did you know the Wailers?

CB: Not personally. I was a big fan of their music, but that was the first time I met them.

LJ: What was your initial reaction?

CB: I must say they were an overwhelming presence. Incredibly charismatic. It was all three of them, Bunny Livingston, Peter Tosh and Bob Marley, that collectively and individually exuded this sense of power. I signed them on the spot. I asked them what they thought they needed to make an album and Island provided them the budget and the freedom to do what they wanted. They went to Jamaica and recorded the Catch a Fire album, and when they had finished recording they called me. I suggested they come to London to mix the record and they agreed, and we worked at the Island Studios on Basing Street.

LJ: You have been accused of softening the power of the Wailers’ music by encouraging the adding of elements that until Catch a Fire were absent in Jamaican music, such as blues/rock guitar solos. Those accusations have really bothered me, so of course, when in Kevin Macdonald’s exemplary documentary, Marley, you yourself said that you “pasteurized” the music, I was really annoyed.

CB: [Laughs.] Maybe that was a poor choice of words. However, I felt my job and responsibility to the group once I had committed to them was to help their music and message reach as many people as possible and, of course, there were obstacles beyond those that an English band might have. In the U.S., for instance, radio was a very segregated medium. There were radio stations that would only play music by white artists, and then there were the R&B stations that would only play black music. The problem was that reggae didn’t fit either format. I felt initially that the Wailers would have a better chance to expand their audience beyond Jamaica by adding elements that would have some sense of familiarity to foreign listeners. And, yes, it was my idea that they come to London to do the mixing. The Island studios on Basing Street, from a technical standpoint, were better equipped than anything in Jamaica at the time. I wanted the record to have the production values that would enable it to compete with any of the most successfully commercial records. And, yes, I also suggested they try using a young guitar player—he couldn’t have been more than 20 or 21 at the time—from Muscle Shoals, Alabama, who was living in London and doing session work at our studios: Wayne Perkins.

LJ: I would like to tell you about an experience that has so positively impacted my life ever since. A couple of weeks after you brought me to the theater in Brixton to see The Harder They Come (my first acquaintance with Jamaican music and culture), I was in New York and went to the Windsor Hotel to visit our mutual friend Jim Capaldi [drummer and co-writer in the band Traffic]. Traffic had just played in Madison Square Garden—sadly it was one of their last shows. For me, Traffic signified unquestionably that popular music could be at once powerful, popular, multicultural and high art. It was English poetry and African percussion. It was the blues and it was symphonic.

I got out of the cab at 56th and 6th. It was February and the sky was crystalline with a dark winter sun bouncing off the filthy white remnants of week-old snow. I shivered. I knew my life was at a crossroads. I was 22 years old. I had a stellar cast and crew assembled, which included Maria Schneider, who was the star of Last Tango in Paris opposite Marlon Brando, which had just opened in New York the night before. We were supposed to leave for Chile the next day to start filming what was to be my first feature—an unscripted search for a mystical hallucinogenic root in the southern Andes that the great sculptor Gordon Matta- Clark had told me about. He had come across it on a recent trip to discover his ancestral roots—but the CIA had upset my plans. People were disappearing, including our Chilean co-producer. Soon Salvador Allende was to be assassinated. My world seemed then as uncertain as Jim’s must have seemed to him with his band imploding.

Bob Marley—completely unknown to me—was in Jim’s suite. He had a cassette of the unreleased Catch a Fire. Jim had a boombox and asked Bob to play it for me. With budding dreads, Bob seemed shy and reticent, yet his eyes were keen and radiant—as if nothing could get past them.

What I experienced in the next 90 seconds changed for me indelibly all that would follow. The mixture of sounds: rhythms upside down so new to North American ears; Peter Tosh’s guitar used as percussion instrument; the hipness of the clavinet, which had just then burst on the scene with Stevie Wonder’s “Superstition”; the innovative Joe Higgs–taught harmonies informed by the whole of R&B history; and the interminable power of the poetic—“Concrete Jungle”—a voice that once and for eternity deconstructed the myth of the smiling, docile native blissful in a tropical paradise and the colonialist concept of “noble savage” soon to be gently faded below the horizon like a Caribbean sunset.

With those words and wailing vocals, a voice appeared that spoke for the billion poor of all the shantytowns of this “planet of slums.” Yet for me—the middle-class-bred North American—it was the inclusion of a searing and brilliant lead guitar that created a dichotomy that blazed through any previously impenetrable cultural or ethnic walls. What was that? Who could possibly be playing that? How did that get there in that impeccably mixed recording? Where did that most conscious decision to have this guy come and play on this track come from? How was it that this budding dreadlocks in the room with me advocated for its inclusion?

It was that guitar that said to me (and subsequently to the multitudes of Euro-Americans like me) that this is not a foreign music to be appreciated as the great art it is from a lofty hegemonic viewpoint. This scorching guitar declared unmistakably and interminably that this music was not just of the “Other.” Yes, this music was of all—of “We” …

Boss, I take great exception to your use of the word “pasteurize” to describe the effectiveness of this guitar part. Its inclusion is conceptually diametrically opposed to the notion of “pasteurization.” “Pasteurize” implies a softening. On the contrary, its inclusion makes the music more powerful—more inclusive, more universal. Precisely, it has been your ability to attract the most outstanding culturally and ethnically diverse talents, nurturing them and helping them and the world to share, which signifies your incomparable contribution to popular culture. Did you “pasteurize” Black Uhuru? Sly and Robbie? Burning Spear? Grace Jones? Tom Waits? Linton Kwesi Johnson? Nick Drake? Tricky? King Sunny Ade? Ijahman?

I love defending you—but please stop undermining my efforts.

CB: Well, Jaff, you know, [Wayne Perkins] was there, and I could see he loved what the Wailers were doing, and he had his guitar and you could just feel he wanted a go at it, so I figured why not. And then after he laid down a track, everyone seemed to love it. … Sometimes it’s just being at the right place at the right time—and great music should have no boundaries.
 

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MURAT OZTURK

“When I feel good about something, I want to do it more and more,” says Murat Ozturk. “I want to get better and better at it.” It’s an approach he’s developed since his first job working at a denim factory in his native Turkey, and today, it’s the same way he looks at his role at Citizens of Humanity.

Inside his office at the company’s headquarters in downtown Los Angeles, Ozturk proudly displays his work: Along one wall, his latest patterns compete for space next to denim-inspired street- style shots, fabric samples and a few reminders from back home. The rest of the room is dominated by a floor-to-ceiling Laser Systems Technology (LST) machine, one of the six machines that Citizens of Humanity counts in its arsenal for distressing denim—the same technology that Ozturk, 30, has to thank for bringing him to Los Angeles to live out his American dream.

The third boy in a family of five brothers and two sisters, Ozturk was born in Ağrı, a small city in eastern Turkey. His father is a shopkeeper by trade, and his mother grows the flowers and vegetables they sell. “When you are little, it’s hard, but when you grow up, it’s amazing,” says Ozturk of a childhood spent surrounded by siblings. “You take care of each other.” When he was 15, the family, including his aunts and uncles, uprooted and headed for Istanbul, in search of a better quality of life and a better education for Ozturk, his siblings and cousins. Immediately the teenager felt at home in the country’s largest city, and upon graduating from high school, Ozturk landed his first job, at Turkish denim staple Mr. Bright.

There he immersed himself in the art of jean making, navigating his way through the process of dying, rinsing and treating the fabric. “On the weekends, I missed going to work,” says Ozturk, whose enthusiasm for learning was not lost on his peers (it’s a small, tight-knit industry in Istanbul, he says). Within a year and a half, he was handpicked to join the team that produced denim for Tommy Hilfiger and Levi’s.

Not before long Ozturk found himself on the front lines for the Levi’s Team, using his newfound know-how in etching designs onto fabrics, combined with his background in washes and treatments.

After four years, he was tapped to join the LST team. Taking his skills and knowledge into the field, Ozturk helped to educate other industry players about the possibilities of LST—including Citizens of Humanity on the other side of the world.

When Ozturk landed in Los Angeles almost three years ago, his plan was to stay for a month before heading to China on his next assignment, but he had a life-changing moment at Citizens. “We liked each other so much that they asked me if I wanted to stay.”

The young Turk, who had previously communicated via translator, began furiously studying English several hours after work each night. As of late, he’s embarked on Spanish lessons, too, to communicate even more effectively with his 10-person team.

Ozturk didn’t just bring six LST machines with him from Turkey; he’s also brought as much of the culture as he can. Instead of swimming in the Bosphorus, Ozturk now spends weekends in the water at Redondo Beach. Here he fishes regularly early in the mornings with friends—a hobby picked up in Turkey. Also a lifelong soccer fanatic, he continues his passion stateside as a member of a soccer team, playing matches every Friday night in the South Bay. He’s tried to pick up new interests, too, including surfing, which didn’t exactly go as planned. “I saw people doing it and thought I had to too, but it’s really hard.”

These days, it’s family and food that Ozturk misses most from his native Turkey—but even that’s changed. His new bride, Auka—has just moved to Los Angeles. “I really love Los Angeles and I don’t have any plans to go back to Turkey,” he says as he takes stock of his new life in America. “I really think anything you can imagine is possible here!”
 

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TUNDE ADEBIMPE

HUMANITY: What’s the source of your name? Where is it from?

TA: It’s from West Africa. My parents are from Nigeria.

HUMANITY: Your name is so rhythmic—it sounds like music.

TA: That’s good. It’s good that it doesn’t sound unlike music. That’s cool.

HUMANITY: So, listening to your demos, it’s amazing how it’s like night and day from the completed songs. When you come up with your ideas, what’s your process of turning them into songs? And then bringing that to a band, what do they add?

TA: Well, my process isn’t really a process. I often walk around and then I’ll hear a melody in my head and it’ll just get stuck. Now I sing it into my phone notes or something. But before, I would basically be walking around with the song in my head until I got home and then just kind of hummed it into a four track or harmonized with myself in a four track. You know, you get a melody down, and then you just put words on top of it quite randomly, and then … just little by little you shape it, you shape it into something that sounds and feels right to you. It can be narrative storytelling, it can be poetry, or it can be total nonsense. But yeah, my four-track stuff, it was an extension of keeping sketchbooks, you know? Where it’s just kind of like, OK, put this idea down and maybe later you can flesh it out, or maybe this is the final, you know. A lot of the friends I had when I started making music in New York, before TV on the Radio, was like a real kind of low-fi recording community where people who had no business using recording equipment or anything, they barely had any idea. So that kind of made it seem to me like I could do it. But yeah, I have these little sketches or notes on an idea, and when we started TV on the Radio, Dave [Sitek] and I initially kind of became friends over the fact that we had all of these four-track tapes of things we’d made individually. We just sort of traded them and listened. There’s a version of “Young Liars” on one of the demos.

HUMANITY: What was the inspiration for that one?

TA: It’s very different than the final version, but the whole song is pretty much there. Most of the songs that I put on that compilation were things that I felt could exist as vocals alone, like if I wanted to just go into a studio and record them a cappella, that I could do that. But then I met Dave, and it was sort of just like, “Oh, here’s this incredibly talented musician. We can work on stuff together, we can work on each other’s stuff.” It’s really weird—inspiration is a strange thing.

HUMANITY: Those songs are from 2003, right?

TA: Yeah, they came out in 2003, but the sketches—I found a tape that said “Four-Track Dumps 1999.” “Young Liars” was on there.

HUMANITY: Is there something that’s happening in your life that turns into a song for you or where does it come from?

TA: I feel like a lot of that stuff definitely, without sounding too weird and going into too much … I don’t even know if it shows up in the song, but it’s the closest thing I’ve had to a supernatural experience, and it was focused on a relationship and there was definitely someone or something besides the two of us. I refuse to believe that it’s just us.

HUMANITY: Is that why it’s called “Satellite”?

TA: Oh, no. “Satellite” is different. I think the version I put on there was something where Dave and I played with an idea, and it wasn’t really formed yet so we just kind of went and worked out the nuts and bolts of it, which also will happen sometimes when you have a song and it sounds really big but the internal workings of it don’t really do anything for me, or it doesn’t feel right. It’s like you fucked up a painting or something. I’m just going to sketch it out again and see what it looks like and then I’m going to go back and build up on it again. But sometimes with the things that feel slightly overwhelming, a song is a good way to put it in one place, so it’s not swirling around your head.

HUMANITY: What about some of the other songs you put on the compilation? “DLZ,” “Tonight,” “Reasons.” Is there a story on “DLZ”?

TA: I have no idea where that came from—that’s when it was in a Brooklyn loft with no heat, no nothing, and I feel like I found it. I was scrubbing through it and it’s going on like for 45 minutes, just those three notes. I got out of this crazy zone and then that broke and the second thing that I put on there was like the next layer of it, where I rerecorded something, put another layer on it. I didn’t have Pro Tools or any of that—I was literally recording on the tape, like a drum part and a keyboard part, and then getting another tape player and playing that out, and then getting a mini- disc recorder and playing it, so everything was happening, like a little orchestra with boxes in front of me. But I don’t know, this particular one. It’s hard to process, but the idea that everything we’re doing is destroying the planet. The intense arrogance of someone who thinks that you can win at life by making the most money or by hoarding natural resources for yourself. And again, you can think about these things and have a nervous breakdown, or you can kind of put them into a song and figure it out.

HUMANITY: It reminded me of Massive Attack.

TA: Very cool. I love that. Those guys are good friends—they’re really awesome.

HUMANITY: And then I was listening to “Tonight,” which is so completely different. Compared to how it turned into a song, I feel like your demos are darker, and when you bring it to TV on the Radio, it lightens up. How does your solo stuff differ versus TV on the Radio?

TA: I write all the time—well, a little bit. Since I moved, like a little bit less than I have for a while, but I’ll write, and something can sound like it could be a TV on the Radio song. Especially after being with the band for so long, I’ll just hear something and think, Oh, OK, I can bring this to a stopping point, and it’s a very concise song that I know the band could do justice to. If we don’t, then I’ll put it with the 200 other things that I’m never going to get to. I feel like with my solo stuff, and I feel weird even calling it “solo stuff,” because I just haven’t had time to put it out. I’ve performed by myself, just with some of those things, like a lot of improvisational vocal stuff. I have a couple of sets of songs that I’d like to do with just mostly voice and very minimal instrumentation, which I’d like to actually get to doing this year, because I’ll have some time. But now I’ll write a schedule. If I know that we’re planning on making a record, I’ll write in that direction. I feel like with my own stuff, it’s not as concise. I guess for better or worse, it’s not anything I can see being pop music.

HUMANITY: Do you think your solo stuff is going to be more in the realm of the demos on this record?

TA: Some of it, yeah. That’ll definitely be one of the textures. I was thinking of doing a 15-song set, five songs apiece. And I always think of things in terms of a complete art piece. One will be songs that are basically voice, guitar and drum—very, very raw. And five songs that are vocals with minimal electronic and then five will be completely a cappella.

HUMANITY: Do you think you’ll be releasing your solo record anytime soon?

TA: Yeah, I think later this year. We’re going to be touring until October. But realistically probably very early next year. If I can get something out this year, that’d be great.

HUMANITY: What’s your musical background? Did you play an instrument?

TA: No, I had very minimal piano training. When I was young, I was the least musical member of my family.

HUMANITY: That’s hard to believe.

TA: I know, but it’s true. My dad played the piano, my mom sings, my brother was an excellent piano player, my sister sings opera. I was terrible at piano—I couldn’t stick with it. So I started taking drum lessons when I was 12. I took two lessons and my drum teacher quit, because he got a job with the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra. But I was convinced it was because I was terrible, which shows you what a completely spineless, whiny child I was. But I sang in the choir in high school, things like that, but I never thought music would be how I spend most of my time.

HUMANITY: Did you listen to all sorts of music? Who influenced you musically?

TA: That’s a ton, a ton, a ton of people. There was always a lot of jazz in our house and classical music playing. My dad really liked Thelonious Monk a lot. We’d play Chopin and things like that. But I think that the first time I really started thinking about writing songs was when I listened to Nat King Cole and old rock ’n’ roll, Chuck Berry. My dad would find dollar tapes and just be like, “This is what you should listen to, don’t listen to any of that crap you’re listening to.” Trying to think of what else. As a teenager, Bad Brains, Minor Threat and Nirvana. I was a huge Nirvana fan. There was a period of time that I felt like, “I hope no one else ever finds out about this band,” you know. It was like 1990, ’92. And then people find out, and you’re like, “OK, cool, people found out, but they’re making good records,” and then it’s the cliché where the football captain or whatever is wearing a flannel, and he’s still a dick, but he’s dressed like someone who’s not a dick, and then the whole world … going on for 15 years, I still am sort of in denial that that band or his songwriting had such a huge effect on me, but it totally did. Nirvana and the Pixies and …

HUMANITY: What ignites you to keep on making music?

TA: I have the most boring answer, which is, “I’m lucky enough that it’s my job right now.” I should probably pay that luck back by doing it. It’s strange, because I’ll go through some periods of time where I really don’t feel like making music, and I used to feel really worried about that, but now I think it’s really healthy. I don’t believe in forcing yourself to do something. Whatever allows you to create; I just like making stuff.

HUMANITY: You guys have a huge fan base, and you have an effect on people as musicians. Are there messages or things that you intentionally try to share through your music?

TA: I’ve always just liked the idea of hearing something really personal, that seems to only mean something to you and then you can hand it off and you discover that someone else can use it in a way that you didn’t intend for them to use it. But I think of how much music and art literally changed the course of my life, you know. When I look at it now I’m really grateful. I just like the sort of message-in-a-bottle idea of it—not the Sting song, but the idea of putting something out to the world. You don’t really know who it’s for; it’s kind of for you, but it might be more valuable to someone else, like once you get through whatever you’re trying to do. But I don’t think there are any direct messages, except maybe we’re all on the ship together.
 

 

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